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DZ-83: A Very Thematic Stand-up Special!

What can screenwriters learn from the storytelling techniques used by stand-up comedians?

⏱ 2h 31m
Character · Theme · Audience | 8 SEP 2021

Show Notes

Standup comedians can keep audiences gripped to their every word for over an hour, and often bring them to emotional climaxes by the end. So how do they do it and what tools can apply to scripted narratives?

For this deep dive into standup, Stu and Chas are joined by the super-talented comic and podcaster Alice Fraser. Which is rather fortuitous. Because not only are we schooled on comedy techniques, but because Alice also has a Masters in Narrative Rhetoric.

So as we dive in to NANETTE by Hannah Gadsby, BABY COBRA by Ali Wong and IT’S THE FIREWORKS TALKING by Daniel Kitson (with more than a passing reference to Alice’s own show SAVAGE and INSIDE by Bo Burnham), we analyse narrative structure, transitions, set-ups and pay-offs used by stand-ups…

But we end up focusing on exploring thematic tools - particularly the Aristotelean concepts of the rhetorical triangle:

  • logos (how the story is told),
  • ethos (who the storyteller is); and
  • pathos (how the audience emotionally engages).

With these powers combined, storytellers of all kinds can produce work of thematic power and resonance. Or just funny.

And in backmatter, we discuss adapting Savage for the recorded stage with Alice!

This episode brought to you by ScriptUp – https://www.scriptupstudio.com – use promo code DZ10 to get 10% off.

Enjoy!

"If you introduce this idea in a harmless form, then they’re willing to swallow it later. When, if you presented it raw out front, they would recoil."

Alice Fraser  |  DZ-83: A Very Thematic Stand-up Special!

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As always: SPOILERS ABOUND and all copyright material used under fair use for educational purposes.


Chapters

  • 00:00:00 – Q: What can screenwriters learn from the storytelling techniques used by stand-up comedians?
  • 00:03:25 – Alice Fraser on Comedy
  • 00:22:33 – Comedy tools to be explored
  • 00:26:21 – NANETTE by Hannah Gadsby
  • 00:48:47 – Transitions in and out of theme
  • 01:08:32 – BABY COBRA by Ali Wong
  • 01:37:57 – IT'S THE FIREWORKS TALKING by Daniel Kitson
  • 02:04:45 – Key Learnings
  • 02:14:39 – Backmatter - Adapting SAVAGE

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